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-- sides and they are wrong. guest: that is one of the main selling points about chuck hagel. he is a pragmatist. one of the reasons the president nominated him was that i think he is reading the tenor of the electorate to say this is the kind of person that we want an office, that there is -- and a large proportion of the electorate it is ideal -- ideologically driven and we want more leaders to look at things objectively and with an open mind. i think that was one of the primary reasons why they are very enthusiastic about senator hagel's nomination. i think your point is well taken. host: editors of the new york times asked, it is clear hagel is in the mainstream. the usa today ads of this -- host: richmond virginia on the independent line. caller: i am wondering which american people they are talking about. my sentiments are that the colors before me -- their comments before me, the american people are wondering about what these politicians are basing their assumptions on as far as hagel is concerned. he used to be a parity decent sounding person -- decent sounding person. he
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